Ko Dr. Ralph Martin, he kaiako whakaute o te whakapono Katorika, kua kiia e te tokomaha he poropiti i roto i te tino tikanga o te kupu, kua hoatu ano he kupu kaha me te whakatupato ki te Hahi a haapao maitai i te mau Papai Mo‘a. Matakitaki i te "Living as Catholics in Challenging Times". Tīmatahia te mātaki i te 47:05 ki te ataata: